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Pelosi: impeachment would be 'divisive'

House speaker Nancy Pelosi just got asked, at the Time 100 summit in NYC, for her latest thoughts on impeachment – and she sure didn’t sound like a fan of the idea.

“I do believe impeachment is one of the most divisive paths that we could go down in our country,” Pelosi said. “But if the path of fact-finding takes us there, we have no choice. But we’re not there yet.”

‘We’re not there yet.’ Photograph: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

Lauren Aratani is at the event for the Guardian. Pelosi was interviewed by Molly Bell, national political correspondent for Time. Here are extracts from Pelosi’s replies:

On the Mueller report:

While we haven’t seen it all, what we’ve seen has omitted the grand jury’s report, which we expect to see. What we did learn is that the Russians had a systemic overall assault on electoral system, so what we see is that the President of the United States engaged in behavior that was unethical, unscrupulous and beneath the dignity of the office he holds. What’s surprising about that is that the Republicans have an appetite for this behavior. Instead of being ashamed about what that report said, they’ve given their blessing, once again, to the president.

Do you believe the president committed obstruction of justice?

That remains to be seen when we see the rest of the report. … We said no, we’re not taking any redaction back here by reading it in a room with the few of us and then preventing us from having any conversation with other people. Our people deserve the truth, we want them to see what the report says.

It was really a sad day for our country to see that report come out with all the inconsistencies in it. Over the weekend, I have read and studied it. Last night we had a conference call with our members -- a record number of 177 members were on the phone over a break, holiday time, … for 87 minutes, 70 minutes at least of that was listening to the comments of 20 members who called in over and above the report of our six distinguished chairpersons. They made their presentation of the Mueller report. . … This is about being totally free from passion, prejudice, politics. It’s about presentation of the facts when we have the facts we’ll have a better idea of how to go forward.

Do you see the report as a impeachment referral?

There are many ways to hold the President of the United States accountable, and the Mueller report sort of led way to that by not making an indictment .... What matters is the truth. The investigations that our committees will conduct will take us down a fact-finding path — everyone should welcome that. What’s interesting about that is that we see the administration’s stonewalling of the facts getting to the American people. They want to sue head of the oversight committee Elijah Cummings for making a request for testimony, they want to obstruct any subpoenas for info. This is a moment in our history, it’s not about politics, it’s about patriotism, this is an existential threat to our democracy, to our constitution.

I do believe that all of us in public office have a duty to the American people to keep us together. … I do believe impeachment is one of the most divisive paths that we could go down in our country. But if the path of fact-finding takes us there, we have no choice. But we’re not there yet.

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Clinton calls Mueller report 'part of the beginning'

Following Jared Kushner onstage (though not immediately) onstage at the Time 100 summit, Hillary Clinton makes a point opposite to what Kushner said. The Russian attack on the US election should not be treated as a threat that’s behind us, Clinton said: “This is about what’s going on today and the threats to our next election.”

“We were a subject of a foreign adversary’s attack,” Clinton said. “You can try to figure out everything that – we need to get the full report, unredacted version. It’s fair to say that this is not just about the reckoning with a recent past. This is about what’s going on today and the threats to our next election.

“The report is long and it obviously takes time to wade through it, but it’s something that every American who cares about holding our adversaries accountable should take the time to go through. I’m really of the mind that the Mueller report is part of the beginning, it’s not the end. ... there’s so much more that we should know and act upon and obviously that’s what Congress is trying to do.

“... What I want is for the country, the Congress and the press to come to grips with what happened and not to get diverted and distracted by an effort to move on or diminish the impact of this attack.”

“There’s so much more that we should know and act upon...” Photograph: Don Emmert/AFP/Getty Images

Clinton said Trump had committed acts worthy of indictment:

“I think there’s enough that any other person who had engaged in those acts would certainly have been indicted,” she said. “But because of the rule in the Justice Department that you can’t indict a sitting president, the whole matter of obstruction was very directly sent to the Congress.”

Clinton said she agreed with how Nancy Pelosi was handling the response to the Mueller report:

“I think what Nancy [Pelosi] means, and I agree with what she means I that it shouldn’t be a pre-ordained conclusion, it shouldn’t be about what you do for partisan political purposes outsides … it should be something you take based on serious evidence, not on partisan advantage.”